Season one · Thursday 27 August 2026 · 38 minutes
They Paid Me to Write It. Then They Made It With AI
Thalia Kent Egan on vertical drama, AI theft, and why filmmaking shouldn't be brutal.
Thalia Kent Egan was commissioned to write a 90-page vertical drama script. She was told she would direct it, that the company wanted bold storytelling, real actors, heartbeat moments. Then they went quiet. When she followed up, they replied to say they had already released it as an AI-generated project using her script without telling her.
Thalia studied languages at Oxford, did a directing master's at Goldsmiths, and has spent over a year inside the vertical drama world. She is one of the few people working in the format who will say clearly what it is: a tech industry making content for commercial gain, with a bingo card of tropes, racist casting, exploitative storylines, and crews paid below proper rates. She is also one of the few people trying to change it from within, and one of the most thoughtful observers of what the format is actually doing to audiences.
This conversation earns its runtime at every turn. The opening story is the sharpest possible account of where the industry is heading. The bingo card section is the funniest. The observation that the phone screen creates a cult fandom around actors that AI cannot replicate is the most interesting. And the Garden of Eden feature she has been developing since her year abroad in France is the best note to end on.
Chapters
- 00:00Cold open: brutal sets, the world built by men, AI takes over
- 01:00Intro: Oxford, Goldsmiths, vertical drama director
- 02:00Tell me a story: the script they commissioned, the AI release she never knew about
- 05:00Oxford languages, Berlin and Paris, why film was always the destination
- 06:00Goldsmiths: finding her people, a year of practical filmmaking
- 07:00Communal directing: deconstructing the hierarchy
- 08:00What vertical drama actually is
- 09:00Six to nine days to shoot a feature film's worth of content
- 11:00"All you have to do is direct"
- 12:00Intimacy coordination and fitting two people into a tight vertical shot
- 15:00Constraints, creativity, and being a square peg
- 16:00Quiet time, freeform pages, writing on the tube
- 18:00The bingo card: drugged women, mafia bosses, tropes that never change
- 20:00Why vertical drama is always about rich people and luxury
- 21:00The phone as private screen
- 23:00Racism, straight-written queer storylines, who is funding this
- 25:00Actor fandom: intimacy creates cult followings AI cannot replicate
- 27:00Marketing budgets four to five times larger than production
- 28:00AI: keep its dirty mitts off the creative process
- 29:0014 of the top 20 vertical dramas already AI-generated
- 32:00Better budgets, risk-taking stories, what a good version looks like
- 35:00The feature: Garden of Eden, Adam as abuser, Eve escaping toward a queer communal world

