Season one · Thursday 2 July 2026 · 46 minutes
Why the Irish Called Black People Blue
Emma Dabiri on hair, history, and why the Black/white binary is a design choice, not a fact of life.
Emma Dabiri wrote a book about hair. Except it wasn't about hair. Don't Touch My Hair used braiding as a trapdoor into 6,000 years of African philosophy, pre-colonial constructions of time, and the question of who gets to name things, and what happens to the things that get named wrong.
That argument has driven every book she has written since. The new one, Born to Be Blue, begins with a discovery in the Irish language: that people racialized as Black were traditionally called not Black but blue, after the iridescence of light on a dark surface.
Chapters
- 00:00Cold open: ADHD, Irish words for Black and white, planetary consciousness
- 01:00Intro: Dublin in the '80s and taking the pen back
- 02:00Tell me a story: Irish grandparents on a Tobago beach
- 04:00The grandfather who never approved, the family she never met
- 05:00Born in Dublin, Atlanta, the Deep South
- 06:00Coming back to Ireland: "go back to where you come from"
- 07:30Discovering how Irish she was by leaving
- 08:30Irishness as an anchor: MBEs and why she could never go home
- 09:00Atlanta wealth, then Dublin during the heroin epidemic
- 10:00Always reading from a very young age
- 11:00The Victorian arcade bookshop: radical literature by accident
- 13:00Seven schools, hating school, a very ADHD profile
- 14:30Instability and nothing feeling safe or certain
- 16:00University in African studies: the first time learning worked
- 17:00The ADHD diagnosis
- 18:30The ADHD tax: life admin, spreadsheets, posting letters
- 19:00Raptures of joy from music, feeling things overwhelmingly
- 20:00Knowing things were true that other people couldn't hear yet
- 22:00Finding her people in London
- 23:00Alignment and attracting what you should have
- 24:00Don't Touch My Hair: smuggling philosophy through hair
- 25:00Cartesian binaries and the world organised into oppositions
- 26:00Divisiveness, social media, and the same problem
- 27:30Hair as a populist entry point for African philosophy
- 28:30The chapter on time: what does "too time-consuming" actually mean?
- 29:00Pre-colonial Yoruba time versus post-industrial capitalism
- 31:00Braiding, intimacy, and a day organised around what needs doing
- 32:00The connective tissue across all three books
- 33:00Solutions suppressed as primitive that contain the answers
- 34:00Irish language, Yoruba philosophy, rehabilitating Irishness
- 35:00Blindboy and recognising neurodivergence
- 36:00The new book: saying less, what stays with people
- 37:00Substack: testing ideas before the printed page
- 38:30Why social media killed good faith debate
- 39:30Early Twitter: Spike Lee, bell hooks, when it felt like a club
- 41:00When conversations get monetised: competition replaces collaboration
- 42:00Born to Be Blue: the Irish language word for people racialized as Black
- 43:00Blue and bright: both words describe a relationship to the cosmos
- 44:00The memoir, the dissident thinkers, the blue concept
- 45:00Blue and bright are not opposites. They share the moon and the sun.

