Season one · Thursday 7 May 2026 · 57 minutes
The Dark Side of Human Behaviour: Understanding Narcissism and Abuse
Kathleen Saxton was repossessed out of her family home at 11. By 40 she was running C-suite headhunting at The Lighthouse Company. She trained as a psychotherapist along the way and now argues boards have governance for cash, finance and risk, and none at all for behaviour.
In an hour with James Kirkham she walks through the memoir she wrote on domestic abuse and the lawyer she hired to defend it; the flute teacher Norman Blow who took her on after she got a clean note out of the mouthpiece on her second try; the safe-cracking interview method she used to read C-suite candidates at Lighthouse; the candidate's story that pushed her to enrol at Regent's University; what private equity buyers and founders are actually doing to each other after the deal closes; "human remains" wellbeing post-COVID, and the executive whose chair refused him half an hour off a board to dial into a friend's funeral; AI as triage versus AI as treatment; what covert narcissism actually looks like, the dark tetrad, and the moment her ex-fiancé asked if she was wearing that to the wedding; lobbying the BACP and UKCP to add narcissism as a search specialism; the difference between what UK and US guests will say on tape; and the Felix Dennis answer she keeps thinking about.
Chapters
- 00:00Cold open and intro
- 01:30The memoir her lawyer warned her not to publish
- 03:30Repossessed at 11: shame, sofas and two gerbils
- 07:30Sweet tooth and 'don't be a Coca-Cola bottle'
- 10:30Cracking the safe: how she read C-suite candidates
- 14:00The interview that sent her to train as a therapist
- 21:00Founders, private equity and the wellbeing mask
- 25:30AI in therapy and in the boardroom
- 30:30No governance for behaviour
- 33:00Narcissism: grandiose, covert and the dark tetrad
- 39:30Writing the book and training other therapists
- 47:30What's next: live radio, a documentary, accessibility

